Disposal Disputes of Island City 物 ｜ The summer is about to end, and it is not open!The open -air swimming pool is a big "pit", the reporter explores on the spot →

On the hot summer, it was a very comfortable thing to soak in the swimming pool to feel cool. However, in Ningxiang Road, Ningxiang Road, Shibei District, what many owners are quite depressed is that although the community has built a tall open -air swimming pool, it was blocked by an iron lock. According to the owners, the swimming pool has only opened a few days a few days since they stayed for a few years. This year, it is about to see the summer, but I have never seen the door.

On August 13, the property staff of Vanke Zitai Community stated that the swimming pool did not have the conditions for open operations due to the relevant qualifications. Regarding the phenomenon of some supporting facilities in some communities, people in the legal community suggested to establish a industry committee to reflect the wishes and requirements of the owners through the decision of the main conference of the industry, and to supervise and assist property service enterprises to perform their implementation Property service contract.

Live: The summer is about to end, the swimming pool is not opened

On August 13, Vanke Zitai Community, the open -air pool has dried up

"We have built an outdoor pool in our community, which can be opened several times so far." A few days ago, many owners of the Zitai Community Vanke called reporters to report their troubles.

It is understood that there are more than ten buildings in Vanke Zitai Community. The owners introduced that as early as the beginning of the house purchase, facilities and other facilities for the construction of the supported by the community were sold by merchants as the main selling point, attracting many owners to buy. Ms. Sun, Ms. Living in Building 11, told reporters that she had fancy the swimming pool and fresh air system in the community and bought two houses at once.

Vanke Zitai Community, the gate of the swimming pool is locked

"When buying a house, the developer promised to use the swimming pool for free." Ms. Bi Ms. Bi said that after check -in, the swimming pool was not open every day, but in summer, the property would choose a time period to hold a fish -catching competition, a water gun war, etc. in the swimming pool, etc. Essence Although it is only open for a few days, it has become the most anticipated thing for children during the summer vacation. However, seeing that this summer is about to pass, the children's summer vacation life is also close, and the swimming pool has not been open.

Vanke Zitai Community, the open -air pool is closed

On the afternoon of August 13th, the reporter came to Vanke Zitai Community to see that the green trees in the community were lined with landscapes such as fake mountains flowing water, sculpture, etc. Essence The open -air swimming pool is located in the middle of multiple buildings, leaning against a children's playground, surrounded by a dense green plant. The reporter came to the entrance of the pool and saw two iron locks hanging on two doors. Looking at the door, the swimming pool was dry up. At the corner of the swimming pool, the door of a toilet was broken and defeated, and a notice of "pause" was posted on the door. From these signs, this swimming pool has been idle for a long time.

Vanke Zitai Community Swimming Pool Gate is locked

In the children's playground, an owner who was playing with children told reporters that he lived in Building 1 and moved to the community for two or three years. "I hope the property will open the pool as soon as possible, and many children are looking forward to it." The owner said. Mr. Sun, the owner of Building 2, said that he could see this pool from home, but he has never seen it for more than half a year. "Such a hot day, such a big swimming pool, it is a waste to be idle here, it is better to use it to open it to the owners." Mr. Sun said.

Owner: When can I be open at time, everyone is very concerned about

During the interview, Ms. Bi, the owner, presented to reporters the community renderings provided by the developer when buying a house. The renderings show that in the green trees, a green water in the swimming pool is eye -catching. Another effect map clearly shows that there are multiple parasols and lounge facilities on the edge of the swimming pool. Three lanes are divided into the pool, and residents swim to swim and drama. A copy of the information is also marked with "the planning of the open-air pool in this community, which is about 0.6-1.5 meters, and eventually the actual construction shall prevail."

Vanke Zitai Community Property Service Center

In the owner group of Vanke Zitai Community, the opening of the swimming pool has also caused discussions among many owners. One owner consulted the person in charge of the property project in the group, "Will the swimming pool open this year? What form is open? Before the beginning of the autumn, after the autumn?" Another owner bluntly said: "It is best to be open this weekend, and the summer vacation is almost over. It's. "

Vanke Zitai Community Gate

Many owners revealed that in the face of everyone's inquiries, the property staff responded in the group that there was no open condition, but everyone wanted to know where the difference is, whether it can be solved, and if it cannot be solved how to deal with it. "The property should meet to study the pool, explain to the owner, at least give an explanation and plan." A owner said. The reporter saw that in response to the property of the property, some owners commented in the group: "The charges are timely, the maintenance is really difficult."

On August 13, Vanke Zitai Community, the children played in the playground, not far away is the community swimming pool

"This summer is extremely hot, everyone thinks that the swimming pool downstairs is soaked in the summer, but such a large public facilities are placed there all day, but they are not open to the owners. Where is the problem?" Speaking. She told reporters that the community has been delivering in for more than five years and has not set up a industry committee. At present, it is still the preliminary property selected by developers to provide services, and the property fee per square meter is 2.98 yuan.

Vanke Zitai Community, the open -air pool was a highlight

"The pool opened a few days a year, but the property fee was charged for a year according to the pool." In the interview, some owners believed that the property charged the cost of maintaining the pool, but it could not provide swimming services. This was not reasonable. There are also owners in the group, "Is the property fee fee standard appropriately adjusted?" Vanke Zitai Community is preparing to replace the plastic runway

Property: No qualifications, unable to operate

"Because the relevant qualification procedures are not available, the swimming pool in the community does not have the conditions for open operations." On the afternoon of August 13, Manager Wang, the person in charge of Vanke Zitai Community Property, explained to reporters the main reason why the swimming pool could not be opened in detail.

Manager Wang introduced that the deepest part of the swimming pool is two meters. Once operating normally, how to ensure safe operation is the primary problem. They learned through consultation that if you want to let the swimming pool operate in compliance, you must have relevant qualifications and procedures. "In addition to the water quality, you need to be equipped with corresponding life -saving and rescue personnel. I have been consulting the relevant departments many times, but the procedures have not been running.

Manager Wang said that they also made a special trip to other colleagues to learn from the scriptures to understand the specific operation experience of the community swimming pool. The property also considers the introduction of professional institutions to operate, but after the other party came to investigate and learned, it failed to take over. "We also hope to get the help of the owners and go through the procedures as soon as possible." Manager Wang said that if the operational procedures do not do it in the end, we will further solicit the opinions of the owners and properly dispose of the area where the swimming pool is located.

On August 13th, Vanke Zitai Community, an amusement facility was damaged

Manager Wang frankly said that since the delivery of the community, the opening of the swimming pool has been plagued by the property staff and has become a "heart disease" for many years. In order to meet the needs of the owners, in the previous few years, the property will open a few days in the summer of the summer to launch interactive activities such as catching fish. "Recently, we are also going to hold a similar activity again."

So, does the property fee of the community contain the management and maintenance cost of the pool? Regarding the questions of the owners, Manager Wang told reporters that the current property fee does not include this item. He said that during some communities with swimming pools in the south, during the opening of the summer swimming pool, the property expenses of the community would be adjusted accordingly, but the property expenses of Vanke Zitai Community have always been unchanged, and there is no fee for the operation of the pool.

Visiting: Some community swimming pools have stopped placing

In fact, the phenomenon of the furnishings of the community swimming pool is not the case.

Country Garden Community, the swimming pool has been discontinued

On August 14, the reporter saw in the Country Garden Community in Chengyang District that the indoor constant temperature swimming pool in the sales office was locked on the door. Looking at the glass, there is only a little water on the side of the swimming pool. Some debris are thrown into the pool. A large amount of garbage can be seen at the bottom of the pool, and the facilities around the swimming pool are severely damaged.

Qingdao Country Garden Community, the constant temperature swimming pool has been discontinued

"In the first few months of the house, I have swim in this pool several times." An owner of the community told reporters that when the Country Garden Community was delivered, the constant temperature swimming pool in the community was open to the owners. Prove that he can come to swim free, he has experienced several times in the past. But I do n’t know when this swimming pool is no longer open. Many owners have also asked the property to negotiate, but in the end, it was still left. "I listened to the neighbors and said that the swimming pool may have been closed for four or five years." The owner said.

Qingdao Country Garden Community, the indoor constant temperature swimming pool has become an idle state

In response to the owners' questions, a housekeeper of Country Garden Property said that the houses in the entire sales office have been bought by the streets, "the swimming pool inside." It has not been used for a long time. Some relevant units have come to talk about cooperation before and want to operate the swimming pool, but the community does not want to take the purpose of profit, hoping to provide more convenient services for the owners, so they did not talk. "As for whether the house is renting or buying, I am not too clear." The staff member said.

Qingdao Country Garden Community, the swimming pool has been discontinued

Earlier, some media reported that the first phase of the Southern Century City of Licang District was idle for many years, and the owners reported that they had no fruit. On the afternoon of August 18th, the reporter came to the community to see that many landscape pools were in a dry state, and some were dead water, and a layer of moss drifted on the water. In a playground between Building 9 and Building 8, a group of children are playing happily. A parent told reporters that it used to be a swimming pool before, but there was no water for a long time, and the bottom of the pool was severely damaged. Last year, it was converted into a children's playground.

On August 18th, in the Middle and South Century City Community, the landscape pool had dried up

The reporter came to the community property service center, and a staff member said that there was no swimming pool before the community. As for why there are no water in the many landscape pools in the community, she said that it would be repaired because of a problem with the pipeline.

In the Middle South -South Century City Community, the owners introduced that the previous "swimming pool" became the children's park

It is understood that Jimo San Sheng International Coast Community also has a swimming pool. Is it normal to be open now? On the afternoon of August 19th, the customer service staff of Berne Property told reporters on the phone that the swimming pool was owned by real estate developers. Over the need for epidemic prevention and control, since the summer, the swimming pool has not been opened, and it is unclear whether it is open in the later period.

Unveiled: Daily operating costs are high in one month or more than 100,000

"The operation of the community swimming pool involves multiple aspects." In an interview with reporters, Manager Zhang of Qingdao Haiyue Donglin Property Management Co., Ltd. analyzed the reasons behind the stopping of the swimming pool in some communities. Manager Zhang said that the first thing to consider is various costs. For example, special personnel are responsible for cleaning, hygiene, water change and disinfection, and also must be equipped with life -saving personnel. At the same time, it also includes the maintenance costs of daily water, electricity, and facilities. These expenditures are a large cost. "I believe that developers will only say that it is a supporting facilities. Generally speaking, like this is some of our commonly known clubs. Generally, after delivery, they rent it to professional operators. Then they formulate charging standards Expenses. "On August 18th, in the Middle and South Century City Community, the landscape pool had dried up

In Manager Zhang's view, it is unlikely that there are free situations, because the frequency of water replacement, water loss, temperature control, disinfection and sterilization, etc. are a very high cost, which is not realistic to bear this cost from the property fee. And free openness is also facing many problems, such as the in short supply. "So such supporting facilities said that the supporting parking spaces are said, although they are all supporting facilities, they all need to be charged." Manager Zhang said that some communities have built a swimming pool before, but later changed to other purposes. It may It is because no one goes to contract, or for a long time, and the property is unable to go to special maintenance.

In the Middle South -South Century City Community, the owners introduced that the previous "swimming pool" became the children's park

Manager Sun of Changhua (Shandong) Requesting Co., Ltd. said that the problem of the swimming pool in the community depends first on who the property rights are. If it belongs to the publicity, it is owned by all owners. If not, it is owned by real estate developers. "If it belongs to the real estate developer, when it is open, it is a matter of people." Manager Sun said that according to his understanding, many swimming pools in the general community are owned by developers.

Many landscape pools have dried up in the Mid -South Century City Community

Manager Sun also revealed that the daily maintenance cost of the swimming pool is very high, and it is also necessary to support the support of skill talents such as professional maintenance personnel. The cost of each month is at least 100,000 yuan. He said that the reason why some property companies cannot operate are probably stuck on cost issues. Manager Sun said that the reason why some community swimming pools are deserted, which is also related to some property companies who do not know how to maintain. "Swimming pool management also has certain requirements for the professionalism of property companies. Generally, property companies with more than three or four stars are required."

In the Mid -South Century City Community, moss drifts on the water in the landscape pool

Said: It is recommended to set up a industry committee to supervise the property performance contract

In response to the use of Vanke Zitai Community Swimming Pool, the reporter interviewed Lawyer Jin Xuemei, Beijing Deheng (Qingdao) Law Firm. Attorney Jin Xuemei believes that, first of all, it is necessary to determine whether the swimming pool facility in the community belongs to the owner shared or the developer is proprietary. Article 274 of the Civil Code stipulates that the road within the construction area belongs to the owner shared, but except for the urban public road. The green space in the construction area is shared by the owners, but it belongs to the urban public green space or explicitly that it is individual. Other public places, public facilities and property service houses in the construction area are shared by the owners. According to Article 2 of the "Supreme People's Court on Try to Disputes on the Buildings of the Buildings to Disputes on Ownership", the houses that meet the following conditions in the construction area, as well as specific spaces such as parking spaces and stalls shall be identified as the second of the Civil Code. The exclusive part of Chapter 6: (1) has a structured independence and can be clearly distinguished; (2) the independence of use, which can be excluded; Essence The plan is exclusive to specific houses, and when the construction unit is sold, it has been included in the terrace in the specific house trading contract according to the plan. It should be identified as the component of the exclusive part of the preceding paragraph.

Lawyer Jin Xuemei said that some facilities invested by developers, such as clubs, shops, underground parking lots, etc., should belong to their investors, that is, the developer, instead of the owners of the community. However, if the developer has spread these facilities into the public building area when selling the house, and the construction cost is included in the housing price of commercial houses, it is no longer considered that these facilities should be owned by the developer and should be owned by all owners. "It is important to determine whether the swimming pool facilities in this community belong to the owner shared or the developer. It plays a very important role in the responsibility of the responsibility of not being qualified for the swimming pool and who does not have operating conditions." She said.

Lawyer Jin Xuemei said that according to Article 3 of the "Supreme People's Court on the Application of Laws on the Application of Laws of the Supreme People's Court", the sales advertisement and publicity materials of commercial houses are invited The instructions and promises of houses and related facilities are specifically determined, and it has a significant impact on the establishment of a commercial housing sales contract and the determination of the house price, which constitutes an offer. This explanation and promise should be the contract content even if the contract is not included in the commodity housing buying and selling contracts. If the parties violate them, they shall bear the liability for breach of contract. Developers promise to have swimming pools and swimming pools for owners for free. Although the swimming pool is open for a few days each summer, developers have fulfilled their obligations. At present, it is difficult to determine whether developers are breaking in contract.

She also analyzed that as a preliminary property, she fulfilled service obligations in accordance with the "Preliminary Property Service Contracts" signed with the developer. If the property company fulfilled the service obligations in accordance with the agreement, the swimming pool facilities were conventional. Properly reduce the legal reasons for property fees. If the owner does have evidence to prove that the property service company does not perform or does not fully fulfill the agreed of the property service contract or the laws, regulations, and the obligations such as maintenance, maintenance, management and maintenance determined by related industries, the owner has the right to sue the property service enterprise to bear the commitment Continue to perform, take remedial measures, or compensate for losses such as losses. Lawyer Jin Xuemei said that the property services were not in place, and the owner could report to the industry committee to negotiate with the property service enterprise, and asked the industry committee to strengthen the supervision of the property and require the property to rectify the time limit. "Regarding the phenomenon that the supporting facilities in some communities cannot operate or shrink normally, I suggest that owners should unite to set up the owner committee to reflect the wishes and requirements of the owners, and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise and supervise them through the decision of the main conference of the industry. Assist in property service enterprises or other managers to perform property service contracts. "

Link: Seventy -government, the old lady called this newspaper Tucao community

Recently, a series of reports of "Disposal Disputes" by the Peninsula Metropolis Daily and Peninsula News Clients have continued to launch, which has aroused widespread attention from citizens. After seeing the report, many citizens called this newspaper to reflect the things in their respective communities.

Aunt Cui, who lives in Hefei Road, was 73 years old. Her community was delivered in April 2009, with a total of more than 700 households. She has a stomach to say about the community industry committee and public income publicity. Aunt Cui introduced that the community industry committee was established in the summer of 2020. Regarding the public income of the community, the industry committee was announced once when it was established, but it has not been announced last year, and this year has not been announced. "I bought two slides at the time, but I never announced it again." Aunt Cui said.

Aunt Cui believes that the responsibility of the industry committee is to supervise the property, which is a voluntary service work, but the actual situation is that some community industry committees have been regarded as a sale of money by individual owners. of. She said that taking her community as an example, some members of the industry committee did not have their own work, some were mainly at home, and some were doing it. Aunt Cui said that when he was established by the industry committee, someone pulled his votes from house to house. He was dissatisfied with this behavior and had been "besieged".

"I suggest that the work committee should be handed over to those retirees who are willing to serve everyone. Because they retire, they have a flexible time." Aunt Cui said.

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