Sun Yisheng X Zheng Lin: Novels want to write the texture of life 丨 new power

Sun Yisheng, born in 1985, was born in Cao County, Shandong. There are novels in magazines such as "Tiannan" and "Youth Literature". Won the "Star Award of Zijin · People's Literature in 2015". Published a long novel "The Land of Vast", the collection of novels "Night Tour God" and "How many times do you have a dragon in your family".

Zheng Lin: Recently, your WeChat signature reads "The retreat explosion ing". If you can disclose it, can you talk about the "cultivation" matters?

Sun Yisheng: This "retreat" meaning is more required. It may be related to my previous writing status. It is already very good to write five hundred words a day before writing. This progress is too slow. It is a very shameful word for the author. Although the author can use the baht in the sentence in his work, if the price paid is too small, it is not advisable. A author still needs a certain number of works to support himself. Repeated modifications and characters are not excuses to write less. Lazy is. Writing is not to rely on talent support. Fighting laziness is the manifestation of daily life. Therefore, this "retreat" is more urged by myself, which I use to resist laziness.

The novel that is writing is the work written by "retreat". If there is no such supervisor, I may not be able to write it. Originally wanted to write a relatively "best -selling" work.

Zheng Lin: Best -selling works? ——It is because the two works published before are not selling well, so do you want to try a more "best -selling" creative path?

Sun Yisheng: The first book may not be sold well, but the second book is pretty good. Relatively speaking, writing this is not related to the first two books. Originally, I had the idea of ​​writing a better novel.

Zheng Lin: Is the result of the trial smooth?

Sun Yisheng: It may not be as the result as I think, it can be said to be an unexpected harvest. I wrote that I found that I can't compromise some things, not to say that compromise is not a good novel. It may be caused by my own personality. My first idea is to write a simple story in a simple sentence. This is not difficult. The difficulty is that after the sentence is written, the described story or things even exceeds my understanding, that is, this attempt I accidentally found another way to write a spiritual writing, and I temporarily decided to change my original thoughts and not let the rules limit it. Let go of writing, what can be written like. The so -called, what you want is to get.

Zheng Lin: Is the "best -selling" you mentioned here? In other words, what is your understanding of a "best -selling" book?

Sun Yisheng: This "best -selling" is my own statement, not really writing a "best -selling" novel. Just for my own writing, I want to write a less puzzling novel.

Zheng Lin: After talking about the expectations of "best -selling", let's go back and talk about the publishing works that may not be "best -selling". I checked Douban's score. Your new work "Night Tour God" seems to have fallen to the same score as the previous short episode "How many times do you have a dragon". Let us "remove a maximum score and remove a minimum score", and select some representative evaluations. Some types of comments have repeatedly appeared in short reviews. The idea is that the preface is better than the work. What do you think of this evaluation?

Sun Yisheng: This decline is within my expected. If I have a bad evaluation of "How many times do you have a dragon in your family", then I still have questioning myself, then I have no such doubt at the "Night Tour God". I know what I am writing, and I know me too Nothing.

As for the preface than the work is better than the work, because when I wrote the preface, I made all the words that I said it, and I wrote it very well. And, I put the cheap feelings (including the words and orders for sympathy and the order. People were moved) I wrote it, and when the reader watched it, it also clearly received what I was writing because I wrote it easily. No readers need to think. And writing novels cannot be like this. The preface and novel are two types of style. The novel has a novel. Once there is something that is easy to move in the novel, this novel is doubtful. The storyline is that every sentence you want to think about what you hidden. Once a sentence is relaxed, the entire novel may collapse. At least for the novel itself, this is my self -requirement.

Zheng Lin: Or change in a question: Will you treat such "self -preface" as some kind of "guide" of your novel? For example, do you want readers to enter their works more easily through these authors' "Master's self -proclaimed"?

Sun Yisheng: Yes, the self -preface really guides the reader to enter a channel for the reading of the author's novels. I write this preface just wants the reader to see the author's sincerity. It does not really write the preface as a novel. The preface is just a preface. We should understand that reading is a brain, and reading novels is another brain.

Zheng Lin: Hemingway once said in an interview, "Although some aspects in writing are hard and no matter how discussions, they will not cause damage to it, but the other parts are fragile. You have disintegrated, and you have nothing to get. "Do you have a resistance to this self -explanation? Or is you happy to interpret yourself?

Sun Yisheng: Generally, I don't like self -interpretation. Self -explanation looks stupid, and it will make the novel stupid. Many times, there are inevitable self -compromises. For example, new book sharing sessions, otherwise standing on the stage will make yourself look more stupid. It seems that Foxner has said that what the writer said in the interview is all nonsense, probably the meaning of this. I think most of them are talking nonsense.

Zheng Lin: Some abstract words in Hemingwei's words may be played separately. For example, do you think you have the interconnected parts like "hard" and "fragile" in your work? For example, a solid text structure or inner logic -corresponds to "hard"? And a kind of unknown thing -corresponds to "fragile".

Sun Yisheng: If the text structure and internal logic are "hard", I don't think other parts correspond to "fragile". They are not opposing relationships, or there is any correspondence. Perhaps the description of another word will be more accurate, that is, "beauty". Of course, there will be a good design in the novel, but there are more aesthetics that do not need to be explained. Beautiful scenery, such as sunset or the passing of clouds, can not be followed, but it is the kind of beauty that shocks our senses.

Zheng Lin: Compared with the narrative logic that emphasizes the story, does your novels that are usually called "weak stories" emphasize the internal logic of a certain text?

Sun Yisheng: The internal logic of the text is a kind of wishful discovery. The reason why my novels say "weak story" may only be because it is closer to the nature of life. There is no logic of life itself. Even if there is logic, we are selectively memorized and extract. I just sank as much as possible.

Regarding the essence of this kind of life, I said before, "I saw the bugs that were in the mirror and falling, and I wanted to write my eyes first impression that I saw two bugs" and "I haven't returned home for a long time. Once, what I saw was not gone, the first impression saw the empty example in front of the door. " No more here.

I can talk about a less obvious example to illustrate why I pay more attention to the narrative logic, why it comes from life.

Once, my friends and I went out to play. I set off for halfway. I found that my pants were broken, and I had no time to go back to change my pants. I had to roll up my two trousers legs. At the end of the game, my friend said that your rolled trousers like this came back from the river.

My friend's words immediately reminded me. Because I just wrote the scene of a novel was that I fish home. When I wrote on the way home, I always felt that there was something missing, but at the time I didn't realize what was missing. This friend's words made me realize that the texture of life was missing on the way home. I should write "I" 's trouser legs on the way home. And before I wrote down the fish, I didn't need to write a movement such as rolling my trousers. You only need to show the scenes such as rolling your trousers on the way home. Many things are self -evident, and the scene is full, full of texture of life.

When I was writing a novel, I paid attention to these seemingly supplementary details, but it was something important as the storyline. This kind of thing, the reader can see it, it doesn't matter, because the reader will have a vague feeling. You don't need to know what it is. This feeling is an indispensable secret of novel pungent.

Zheng Lin: Ask the conventional question, compared to the "hard" and "fragile" inside the text, what is your daily writing habits? Is there a fixed schedule or a stronger inspiration?

Sun Yisheng: The daily writing habits are a large proportion of ideas. This idea, including the outline of the novel and the proportion of structure, will write a lot of draft paper. Compared to the advent of sudden inspiration, it is important to think about it. Many inspiration suddenly comes, but it is late after thinking about meditation.

Zheng Lin: Your first novel collection "How many times do you have a dragon" tried a very diverse style, and under the editorial organization of "The Night Tour God", the theme style is closer, which means that you have found that you have found it Is the most suitable expression of your own text style? Or is it still a "unknown"?

Sun Yisheng: It can only be said that at this stage, there is already a mature style close to "The God of Night Tour" will continue, and it can be written for a long time. But it is not ruled out that there will be other styles of attempts.

For example, this "best -selling" category of writing on hand is another style. This is an unexpected narrative. A kind of attempt has never been encountered before. At the beginning, I thought it was just a short story. Later, I thought it was a collection of short stories. Now I have written 270,000 words for three months, and it is far beyond my expectations. When I exceeded 200,000 words, I found out that I found out that I found out It turned out to be a slightly large -scale novel. I don't know how long I can hold on this speed, and I don't know how long this novel will be written. Because there is another long story (this minister, whether it is content or strokes, it is a novel extended from "Return to Hometown"), so I don’t know what it will look like, and I may write it for half a year for half a year. It will see more clearly, this is an unconscious writing.

I think this novel will be another kind of writing behind me.

At the same time, I will not abandon another long article from "Return to Hometown", and the novels like this have just started. Zheng Lin: What do you think is to guide your writing direction between the change and fixed inheritance of the creation?

Sun Yisheng: It should be the passion of creation.

Taking the "Return to Hometown" and "Shanhai" in "The God of the Night" as an example, it is a kind of restraint writing. In this type of creation, there are a lot of things I want to say, but as long as I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want to say, as long as I want to say, I want to say it, what I want, I do n’t write, even if I accidentally write it out, I have to delete it mercilessly. The process of writing has been writing about his temperament. Even if you want to come up with the best paragraph or skills you feel, once you feel that the restraint, calmness, and restraint of narrative will be resolutely eliminated without any room for discussing. This is a conscious writing. Even if it is written in the head of the head, it is still a choice of subconscious.

And when I wrote that now I reached the novel of 270,000 words, I was another set of thinking. Sometimes I even think that I am writing in my mind, because when I wrote this novel, I just fell into a huge mental crisis. I was very painful. get rid of. During that time, I wrote an eight thousand -word Kafka's theory. I wanted to use Kafka to alleviate my status without any effect. I wrote such a sentence in that article: "My current situation is that the motivation to call me every day is the idea of ​​wanting to commit suicide." This is a cowardly manifestation, and it is also my real life portrayal of life. Essence

Back to this novel, it can be said that it is an unconscious flow. The direction of writing. I do n’t know where to go. I may rely on this way of writing. What I want to discuss is no longer the writing and technique of the novel, but that I want to discuss the writing and technique of the novel, but that I want to explore I want to try to explore the direction of the mind (or inner heart), because in the process of writing this novel, the inner thoughts are not only subconscious, but also closer to unconsciously flowing around.

Just like a stalling water, because of the terrain, from high to low, it is a kind of thinking formula when we are awake. There is a fixed direction.

Once it is an absolute plane, it is absolutely smooth and absolutely plane in all directions, and the flow of water has no orientation. It is closer to the original development of a kind of obscure state. There is a kind of confusion. I want The novel is sorted out.

Maybe what I want to write is the history of my heart. It is undeniable that this novel saved me.

Most of our novels rely on stories to win, that is, writing a story or describing a story, even the great description of the world of love "Dream of Red Mansions", "Liao Zhai Zhi Yi" is Pu Songling with his own power. Raising the legend of the story to the level of literature, that is also the story category. Different types of writers different from Chinese novels and even traditional Western novels, including Kafka, Prince, and even Murzil, they are writing novels by philosophy. They have deep accomplishments in philosophy and other doors.

To be honest, I do n’t understand philosophy, and I do n’t have any research at all. Therefore, I can only bypass these and start directly from the first place. This is a way I get by accident, and it is also related to what I have learned from Kafka and Dhastyevsky. If you add another one, it is the Bible. I read the Bible as a literary work.

I don't know if my understanding is right, just write it down first.

Of course, this is just my shallow thought. It doesn't matter if you right, I also have a restraint, enough for me to write for a lifetime.

Content source: "Literature and Art", June 24, 2022, 5th edition

WeChat editor: Lu Yimeng

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